[ HTJ Podcast ] U.S. Taxes, Crypto millionaires, 5figure freelancers, Offshore Companies and Banking – 7th April 2021
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So good morning, good evening, good afternoon, depending on whatever part of the world you are. Welcome to our live stream, so I'm live streaming on several platforms. Thanks for sharing some of your time and joining us this evening or morning or afternoon, wherever you are now. Thank you for sending in your questions in advance. So that has been really helpful to those who send it in. Some people sent it in last week and some people send it in like five minutes ago. So, I've checked my email five minutes ago, say you've sent it in since then. Sorry. I probably wouldn't see it.
So, in terms of some admin, we are obviously recording this as well. So, if you don't want your image to be part of that recording, please keep your camera switched. And of course, because I'm licensed by the federal government under Circular 230 which is one of the treasury circulars. I'm legally obligated to remind you that I may be a tax consultant, but I'm not yet your tax consultant. So, treat this as an educational piece. We are having a general discussion about general principles, which I sincerely hope would help you as you try to work with your own chosen tax professional. So again, nothing I say here should be construed as construed as advice, and more importantly, nothing here should be construed as me encouraging you to pay less than your fair share of taxes in any jurisdiction in which you were exposed. Again, thank you for joining us. So, the first point is that you guys wanted me to touch on was crypto, I guess like most tax professionals who deal with higher income earners. Our team has been inundated. It's like, I'm not kidding every single day. It feels like we are getting approached by someone who's done well on Bitcoin specifically, or crypto in general, you know, the mid 1.2 million, 3 million, 5 million, 9 million, I think 18 million a few days ago. So, they're sitting on some capital gains. Some people are short term, some people, and they wanted to have conversations about their options. But there's one thing that I think that everyone should walk away with and that is do not try to hide it. Do not try to deny it. If you have been holding or trading crypto, please disclose it. You would have noticed that for those that have looked at the new 1040 forms, it’s just at the very top, it does ask you outright. Have you been exposed? Have you been dealing in crypto and you know, just, just be completely honest?
And as I've been telling people when we've had our introductory calls with clients and we're onboarding that, yes, the IRS has been severely under-resourced. As of, I think it was December last year, they had something like 12 million pieces of unopened mail. There's a huge backlog. Many of our clients are complaining that returns that we submitted in 2019, people filed, still have not been processed. Things are really bad because of the pandemic because of lack of resources because of the ongoing health protocols. So, the IRS has to observe that is true, but guess what is the one area where the IRS has been given permission to recruit no points for guessing crypto. So, they have onboard, we did see ads in a certain platform where the IRS was recruiting contractors. I think sometime the beginning to the middle of last year. So, they do have not only the personnel, but they have the technology needed to track crypto transactions. Don't mess around with it. We know that there are tax professionals that play what we call fast and loose that they encourage you or they facilitate, or they turn a blind eye to certain things. And let me explain how that comes back to bite you.
So just like you've seen on movies, when someone has found to run a follow up of the rules, one of the first things that they authorities would do is give them an opportunity to cooperate for those who want Netflix. If you've seen the college admission scandal movie, it's a similar situation. So, you, you know, for example, you've had crypto gains and somehow you try to avoid reporting it. The first thing they ask when they find you, when they find, you are going to ask, who helped you, name the professionals? Because the IRS is big on finding enablers, who they call enablers. So other tax professionals, other financial professionals who offer the service of attempting to basically evade taxation. And once they find one of those enablers, then what they do is check to see whether there's a pattern of misbehavior. And they do that by basically auditing all their clients. So, if you there's, you go and you onboard with a tax professional who does not play by the rules. Then at some 0.1 of the hundreds, if not thousands of clients will get caught out. I mean, statistically speaking, given the kind of resource they are as a story behind this, and when they are, as does catch up with that enabler, they will immediately start checking all their other clients, which would include you. So, hmm you know where I'm going with this. It makes zero sense to try to hide now. So, we have been, if it is unintentionally or intentionally, depending on what your situation is, you have not been 100% transparent in reporting in the past with the IRS, there are programs that allow you to come fall to the IRS before the IRS finds you.
So, every month we take probably three or four clients through the, the amnesty program, the most popular, which is called the streamline compliance procedure. So, all our, all our clients are international exposed. So, we take clients through the streamlined foreign offshore procedures. What would that mean is that for those clients whose non-compliance has been deemed to be non willful, and we go into that term in a bit, the IRS allows them to, again, referencing the statute of limitations to go, to look back three years for tax returns and six years, if by stand for foreign bank account reports.
And again, that, that is not new ever since the early 1970s, anyone that's US exposed had to report financial accounts held outside of the US. So anyway, so we take clients through that. And for those whose noncompliance is deemed to have been willful in terms of the definition of willful. Now, unfortunately we can't rely on the tax code we need to delay and we need to rely on law. So, most attorneys that you speak to would reference United States versus Sturman or United States or cheap versus United States, basically willfulness is a voluntary, intentional violation of a known legal duty. So, in layman's terms, basically you have demonstrated intent to evade paying taxes. One thing, if you do fall into that category, and probably every two to three months, we do find someone who does fall into that category. We immediately introduced it to one of the law firms that we deal with because that's when you definitely need legal advice, because the stakes are pretty high. So, there is a process for coming forward, don't get me wrong, but you want to, you need the support, not just of a tax team to actually prepare the returns, but have a competent and experienced legal team to help you negotiate basically with the internal revenue service.
So, we work with clients who find themselves in either the willful and non willful situation for those who are thinking about, and again, we deal with probably two to three clients each month who give up their us passport or a green card. We take them through the process of renunciation, and we introduce them to qualified teams of professionals who are recognized and accredited when it comes to working with clients who want other residencies or other citizenships, when you Google second citizenship or citizenship by investment, as the case may be, you get thousands of results.
You don't know who to work with. Most of those people are not qualified. They introduce more or less are brokers. And so basically, they point you in the direction of the real professionals who would pay them a commission. And so, they would follow the commission lead, right? They not necessarily putting your situation first. They would fall naturally the profit incentive. So, we work with teams that are qualified and recognize and put the clients first. So, so that's something else that we've been working with, people who have done well in crypto, and they are in the process of giving up their citizenship and green card. If you guys want to have that conversation, please reach out to me offline and we can set up an introductory call.
So again, I'm just going through the questions that have been submitted. If you have questions, please feel free to type them in the box below. And once I go through those that already submitted up until, you know, like 15, 20 minutes ago, I will get to yours eventually. So that said the takeaway when it comes to crypto, don't believe those people that tell you, you can hide if it is that you have not been 100% transparent with the IRS. Up until this point, there are options available for you. Once you get to the IRS before the IRS comes to you, reach out to us, we can walk you through your options.
So don't be afraid, you need to come forward as soon as you can. For those who may not the other side of the spectrum, not necessarily a crypto million but a location, independent professional, or five figure freelancer who is operating internationally. We work with, we don't necessarily work with you, but I've written a book or two, which would help your situation that one on international tax, I think is a great primer for a situation such as yours. Essentially, what you're looking at is the biggest gift that the code allows for someone who may be in the five-figure space and working internationally is something called a foreign earned income exclusion, which is the benefit of code section 911.
So, the foreign earned income exclusion, there are two ways of qualifying for it, but they just to cut to the chase. You get to, to exclude up to, and the money moves with inflation each year. So, for 2020 returns that we're doing right now in 2021, you can exclude up to $107,600 from the us tax net. So that that's an incredible benefit right there. Plus, you get a housing deduction on top of that. So, it can go depending on where it is that you may be base, it could be up to 120, $130,000. So, it is something that you need to pay attention to because it can be pretty significant if it isn't, you're still paying self-employment taxes because you attend 99, you're just a freelancer.
You have an LLC and you report everything in your schedule C again, we have a relatively easy way of legally avoiding that self-employment tax. And that is by incorporating an offshore company. We're getting tough shell companies a little bit later on, but again, depending on what your tax liability is in terms of that 15.3% self-employment tax, they, you know, it's a bit of a math calculation, whether that 15.3% is more or less than the cost of creating and running an offshore structure for many of our clients, it would be. So therefore, we work with them to do that.
The next question that someone raised was let's see deductions expenses. So right, and the US tax code is pretty specific. We're looking at section 162A, which is telling us that you are allowed to deduct expenses that are ordinary and necessary to your line of business. Now, the, the US is a bit different from other jurisdictions. For those of you who may be another common law, UK colonies, the tax code so, for example, in the UK, Australia, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Canada, it's perhaps differently interpreted.
The code says something that similar to wholly and exclusively, but in the US is ordinary and necessary. So just keep in mind some slight nuances, which means that, and we get into the offshore company, but later on that, sometimes as you create your offshore structure and you, you know, you, you're doing your income statement, you're doing your P and L. There are expenses that may be allowable in that foreign jurisdiction that may or may not be allowable when you doing your books for the US for your US tax returns. So just keep that in mind and work with your chosen tax professional, to make sure that you get that right.
So again, expenses need to be ordinary necessary to your line of business. I know you guys are traveling, you're doing, you're doing business overseas, keep your receipts, keep your receipts. I mean, you can, you're allowed to keep them electronically. Many of our clients use the online cloud software solutions like QuickBooks and Xero, and it allows you to take a snap of the actual receipt and you can upload it with the transaction so you can retrieve it and it's archived for years to come. So please keep track of your receipts and your expenses need to be ordinary and necessary. And again, circling back to traders, we do have clients that are actively trading in crypto so that they're not just buying holes, they're actively trading.
And so, they have basically their business is trading in different cryptocurrencies. And again, those are the expenses that you would need to, to keep track of. And we've been working with some clients on that. So, when who's next, again, feel free to type your questions below. I see them coming in, I'm an independent contractor working in Ethiopia, blah, blah, blah, let apartment commission pay tax in the US, right? So again, so if you're an independent contractor, that means you are not working through a company.
So, whatever it is, you working outside of the US so working in a foreign from a US tax perspective, as an independent contractor, there is very little difference from the IRS perspective in terms of recognizing that income, whether you are in Atlanta or in Africa. So, it really doesn't matter whether you are on us soil or are outside of the United States outside of the United States. You know, you, you need to declare your worldwide income in the United States. You need to declare your worldwide income. It's all the same to the IRS. They that from a revenue recognition perspective, they, they're not really bothered either way.
You declaring your worldwide income. Now, you mentioned that you an independent contractor, just like if you were in the us and you were a 1099 contractor, you declared on your schedule C and it may trigger a self-employment tax, as we mentioned earlier. So again, it makes no difference. So, the difference is, as I mentioned earlier, that you get to benefit potentially from section 911, which is a foreign earned income exclusion. So that foreign earned income exclusion can work depending on your income to reduce or eliminate your income taxes depending on your situation, right? Because it protects the first $107,600 from the US tax net. But that's in terms of the income tax. Now, in terms of that 15.3% self-employment tax it doesn't protect you there. So that's where the whole off shore company comes in. Speak to you prefer to advisor, because depending on your situation, it's definitely a benefit that you would not want to miss out on. Next question, I have a tax ID, but I don't want to double my tax payments, the retired tax, blah, blah, blah. Okay. That's a great point. You're working outside of the US. You're working internationally. You are working in somebody else's jurisdiction. So just like if someone else is in the us and they are working, they need, and we have had a lot of clients because of the pandemic.
They were, you know, there was severe disruption in travel, obviously then when the US on, you know, for a meeting or whatever, and they could not return to their home country and something that caught within the US tax net because of section 7701, substantial presence, they spend more than a certain number of days in the US and I'm actually working with two clients. One of whom just email me, because I guess they kind of panicking. So, they're not US nationals, but they were stuck in the US and they have to abide by the rules of the United States tax system. Similarly, when you are outside of the US as a US citizen or green card holder, you abide by the rules with jurisdiction in which you find yourself. So, if you are in jurisdiction X, and you trigger the number of days or whatever their rules may be, you find a new pay taxes that you don't want to get in trouble. Now, you quest didn't ask about double taxation. It's good, always good to seek advice and, and speak to your chosen tax professional. It's all, that's always the best course of action. But once your tax professional is experienced, competent and familiar with international tax, you should not be double taxed. You should not be double taxed. And this has nothing to do necessarily with invoking a tax treaty. It's simply because the United States allows you to the United States recognizes the system of foreign tax credits.
So whatever tax credits, whatever tax you would have paid to the foreign jurisdiction in which you now find yourself, you can use that normally to offset against a us tax liability you use in form 1116. So again, speak to your chosen tax professional, and you should not be taxed twice.
Moving on, right off shore companies. So, there's media, you know, the media has this, you know, it plays a role, whether it be journalists who don't really understand tax and International law, and they write sensational articles and, or maybe it's a movie, there's this perception that just by having an offshore campaign you’re doing something wrong, it's something that you know, you're eating taxes as the case may be. That is certainly not the case. So, the US does allow you, I mean, it's a free country. That's why we love it. It does allow you to hold assets overseas, then that would include creating, investing, or structuring your own companies outside of the US or that the US ask is that you report accordingly. So, there are certain rules, depending on the, your share of ownership and the nature of the company. It is subject to varying levels of disclosure.
Now, just by forming a company outside doesn't necessarily offer any benefit because you need to think of a concept called nexus. So, if it is you form a company, let's say in the Cayman Islands, so the BVI or Bermuda when you know those or Panama, but you still remain in the US. You basically have a US company because the company is being run from the US. So, the company is viewed as having a physical as nexus with the United States. So, it's taxable in the US. Similarly, if you form a company and insert your offshore jurisdiction here, but you are living in Bali, or you're living in Columbia, or you're living in Costa Rica. Well, you know, those countries have rules. They aren't exactly zero tax jurisdictions. So therefore, then that principle of nexus may kick in. And if you're actively involved in your key decision maker. So, in other words, mind and management or management and control is being from within their borders. If they find now there is the right to tax you accordingly. And that company did for me to pull into their tax net. So, you should speak with a qualified advisor before making those kinds of decisions. So, the point is just creating an offshore company doesn't magically offer any benefits. It needs to be operated in the right way, and to make sure you're operating on coming in right away, you should always seek tax advice, because there's so many unintended consequences, not just in other jurisdictions, but within the United States as well, because there are a number of what we call anti-deferral rules, and I'll touch on one of one or two of them later on, which means that even though you may be outside of the US so you're not running it from the U S you're running it from, you know, so you set up a company in, let's say what's a popular jurisdiction, is they let's say set up a company in Estonia, people are asking about Estonian livestream last night. So, you started your company in Estonia, and you, you based in Europe, you based in a store, you're running it from, you're running it out there, depending on your ownership structure. It still is reportable to the US and it's still me be taxable to the US even though you don't get a distribution from it, it still may, under certain circumstances be taxable because of the anti-deferral rules. And just to keep in mind, when you're talking to your chosen tax professional, the U S tax professional, you're going to be asking him or her about Subpart F. And that, that really kicks in a lot of with, with Estonian companies, I think because Estonia is really popular in Bulgaria, other structures like that.
So, you want to be asking them about subplot F you want to be asking them about PFIC rules. If it is you have a holding company owned investment structure, and you want to be asking them about guilty or the global intangible low tax income tax which kicked in to 2017 under President Trump? So, there are a number of anti-deferral rules of really make or break at least from a profit perspective. And then you, in terms of your cash flow, the way in which you, you hold a new manager or your off shore structure. So please seek advice, moving on offshore banking. Similarly, there's this perception that, you know, I have a bank account outside and clients, you would be surprised, you know, I was on a zoom call last earlier this week, late last week I don't recall right now. Cause you know, it is back-to-back zoom, clients, husband, and wife doing well. They exited, they successfully exited a business in the US and they they're set up now in a Southern European country. And you know, they throw out the idea, you know, what, if I open a foreign, an offshore bank account, how much money do I save in taxes? It's like, you know, hold on, hold on, hold on. Just by having an offshore bank account that does not mean that you're entitled. It has, it potentially has zero impact at all on your taxes. Just because money is stored in a given location that does not mean as it's no longer taxable, ordinarily speaking in some jurisdiction It does. So, for example, for those who are under the special regimes, let's say in the UK where you raise non-Dom resident, non-domicile in Ireland, or the special regimes like that, where it's based on remittance. I think even the Island of Dominika for those who want that tropical offshore jurisdiction, if you, if you tax resident there, a remittance-based taxation is a thing. So, you're right. Keeping it off shore does incur or in for certain benefits, but with the US no, it certainly does not. So, you are subject to taxes, any worldwide income, whatever you receive it, wherever you receive it. And in fact, under certain rules under the bank secrecy act, I think 1917, you are legally required to report all your financial accounts, wherever they may be in the world. So again, it's not even going to be secret because you need to report it to a, another branch of the treasury. The IRS is responsible for collecting the data, but it goes to the financial crime’s enforcement network, another team within treasury, and depending on the threshold, depending on the amount of money you do report it on the 898, the FATCA forms, which now part of your personal tax returns. So, it is completely reportable. Even if it's a numbered account, everything is reportable 100% reportable. So, there's definitely no tax benefit. Now there may be other benefits because for those of you who are into flag theory. So, the idea, the flag theory, just to provide context factor is the idea that there's no one perfect jurisdiction out there. No one country's perfect, no one. So therefore, you have several jurisdictions that are good at the things that you need done. So, for example, if it is you want a certain corporate structure, then you know, if it's a fun structure, you may go to the Caymans.
If you want to defer the tax paying taxes until there's a distribution, normally speaking, that's one of the benefits of an Estonian structure, normally speaking. So, for certain insurance structures, you want to look at Bermuda. So different jurisdictions are good at different things. When it to banking. One of the really great jurisdictions would be a jurisdiction where there are banks that I'm known to be very, very secure, very safe, and have a high reserve ratio so they can handle any stress, no high levels of non-performing loans and so on. Feel free to Google, lots of lists online, but one of the jurisdictions of popularly comes up and it's a very popular jurisdiction with all network would be of course, Singapore, which is where I'm based. So, Singapore has some of the strongest banks in the world, and that's why it's a popular jurisdiction for storing wealth and not just banking, but precious metals assets of that nature. So again, there's no, not necessarily a tax benefit for having an offshore account, but you may have other reasons for wanting to store your wealth in certain jurisdictions. And one of them may be observing the principles of flag theory, which is finding the right jurisdiction for the purpose that you need.
Moving on, this, this is another issue that came up lately recently. So, for those who were on the livestream last night, forgive me, I'm going to repeat this. It's the same question, but I think I want to, because it is unfortunately kind of popular. So, if it is that you are a US citizen, US green card holder or whatever the case may be, and you spend a lot of time outside of the US and you spend some time in the US right, you may be able to file a form 802, which is an application for a United States residency certification. And then you get a form 6166, which basically says that it certifies that you are resident in the United States and in some jurisdictions with especially well, particularly those, a decent tax treaty with the US you can go to the tax authority in that jurisdiction and say, here's my residency certificate. I know I've spent more than 183 days or whatever in your jurisdiction, but actually a resident of the United States. So that is my place of habitual aboard, that is my center, vital interest. That is where my home is. And I would like to be relieved of the responsibility of paying taxes in your jurisdiction. You can do that, but bear in mind, this is based on, on invoking a treaty. And you are saying under the terms of that treaty, you have a closer connection to the US. Now I have clients that approach me and say, can you help me do this? Their friends or people on Facebook do it. And all they need to do is use the relative's address in the US that that strikes me as being a, you know, again, bit playing Ben dishonest and being fast and loose with the us tax rules, because, you know, your place, your center vital interest is not the United States anymore.
You have your home in whatever foreign country. Your place of abode is not in the US, you’re using a relative's address. So again, if at any, and if you do work with a team that allows that, then at any point in time, if they are found out by the IRS, all of their clients may be audited as they look for some sort of pattern of bad behavior or misbehavior. So please keep that in mind. And we are definitely we're squeaky clean. We will definitely walk away from anybody who wants us to bend, or if not break the rules. So, I just wanted to call that out. Another question that came up, right? So, we spoke about setting up a foreign structure, and we spoke about the anti-deferral tax rules that would kick in one of which is something called a prefix or passive foreign investment company. What is that about? So, if it is, if you know, you're setting up your structure outside, we see it with people who want to, for example, acquire real estate outside of the U S they rightfully don't do it in their own name. They may use a, a holding company and they purchase the asset in that name, or they want to invest in funds or make certain investments in startups, outside of the US we we've seen that. So basically, they create a structure to facilitate investment income. Now it's not a trading company, it's investment company. So, there's a bit of a little test that goes on that. So, the income test, if more than 75% of the gross income is from that investment income, or there's an asset test, at least 50% of the average percentage of assets held by that company or for the production of that investment income. So, like dividends, interest, rental, yield, whatever. So those are P and they are subject to certain rules. Now I had a client probably two or three hours ago, so it could extend into other structures as well. So, she or the person is a citizen of a European country as well. So, they're dual, both US and another European country, and I know European country, and they are involved in the pension fund for that the state pension fund for that European country. And because they are able to acquire shares in various companies or whatever to that structure, they inadvertently have a PFS as well, a passive foreign investment company. So, this is something that you need to pay particular attention to and get advice. And the reason I say that is because it's treated quite punitively by the US tax code. Why? Because I think it started in 1980s, the domestic financial institutions within the US were complaining that Americans were investing overseas in other, I guess, their competitors overseas. And so, I'm just going to mute somebody who un-muted themselves.
So, they were investing in other jurisdictions and they were enjoying tax benefits. So basically, tax deferment. So, they were able to defer paying taxes until there was a distribution later on. And so, they get, they call compounding. So that, that was deemed to be unfair. And there are these PFIC rules that have come up. What happens right now is that there's a really aggressive tax computation that goes, if you may apply, if you have a prefect and, you know, there's, there's a lookback rule and you basically made to pay taxes at the highest marginal tax rate, which right now will be around 35%. So, it is pretty draconian in a way. So, if it is that you have some sort of investment structure, whether you've an investment structure that you personally put together, or you may be involved in a state pension fund with the, with the jurisdiction, with any other jurisdiction in which you may be exposed as a US person overseas, please speak to a tax professional to make sure that you're disclosing it in the right way. And right, so precious metals and gold. So, we spoke about the fact that if you have bank accounts outside of the U S or financial accounts, so that could include ETFs, and it could include any pension fund. You know, we've spoken about pension funds or financial accounts outside of the US subject to disclosure. And that would include not just the pension funds, which we just mentioned. So, you can, for example, you may have an insurance policy and the way then the insurance policy is structured. The IRS tax rules, it's a foreign insurance policy, there may be a surrender value, or there may be underlying investments, which you self-direct, then it will be subject to special disclosure and special tax calculations, we spoke about that. Now, if it is you and invest in precious metals, again, depending on how you invest in it, then that may not be subject to disclosure. So of course, if you sell it, capital gains, a loss gain or loss would be disclosed, but they just holding the acquisition and holding precious metals that's is one way that some people do legally do not report to the internal revenue service wealth held overseas and being based in Singapore, which of course is one of the key jurisdictions for storing precious metal, precious metals, as well as Hong Kong.
We have clients in Hong Kong to do the same and also in Bangkok and Thailand. But again, it can be quite nuanced. So, you shouldn't touch base with the tax professional because sometimes you may hold it, not with a vault or a secure facility, but you may hold it within a financial institution. And even though it's physical gold, they give you an account number. You know, sometimes it's kind of done that way, then it will be subject to disclosure. So just touch base with you professional, make sure that you're doing that in the right way.
The last point that came up for those who submitted questions ahead of time was, again, going back to this disclosure of financial accounts, what about PayPal accounts Transferwise? You know, these other FinTech. So, it's not like a traditional financial institution, but an online or you know, a FinTech basically. How do you disclose those? So, it gets very nuanced, again you'd want to speak to a professional, even with something as popular as TransferWise. It depends on what you have. If it, is you just have payment platform, then it like PayPal, for example, ordinarily, it should not be subject to disclosure? But if like with TransferWise, they're thinking in a borderless account and you get an account number and you might get an eyeball, you know, it may even have its own sub code or whatever, then that would be subject to disclosure. So again, you would want to touch base with your professional. Otherwise, if in doubt report, because when it comes to reporting financial accounts, remember it is not included in your tax calculation. It is simply a disclosure. So, it does not hurt to just put it on the FBARS, put it on the one for the foreign bank account report. Just declare it when in doubt report when in doubt, easy, simple. So, any other questions, again, just feel free to write them in the box below. I'm just going to have a look. Nope. I see no questions here. I see no questions here. So please just let me know if you have any questions, happy to answer them.
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